GSE (Stránka 1 z 2)

Okolo GSE je dnes velky boj a kontraverzia. Takze sa vyjadrim len na citricidal concentrate,  professional strength, ktory sa mi zda este jediny nezmeneny.

dakujemmmmm, cmuk

"... ucinok selenu u onkopacientov http://www.bezpecnostpotravin.cz/vliv-s … cinom.aspx... "

Nepomýlil si sa MilanDr s témou? Selén a GSE akosi veľmi nesúvisia.

Našiel som komentár na iHerb-e od jednej osoby, ktorá dostala odpoveď od NutriBiotic - z odpovede jasne vyplýva, že NB bolo zastrašené, a tak muselo zmeniť dodávateľa, ináč hrozilo vylúčenie GSE z doplnkov stravy!

We have not changed the formula of our GSE sold in the US, however, we have changed our GSE supplier. A benefit of the newer supply is that is has an improved taste over the old supply. The product still contains the same amount of grapefruit seed extract and the potency is the same. The old supplier for our GSE had not provided us with the proper paperwork to continue to be a dietary supplement and comply with GMP (good manufacturing practices) guidelines, so we changed the GSE supplier so the product could remain a dietary supplement. For your information, we do guarantee our products 100% and anytime that you are not completely satisfied with our products, you may return them to where you bought them for a full refund, credit, or replacement. In turn, we are happy to credit the store for the product.

P.S.: Keďže v aktívnej téme GSE sa rieši zdravotný problém s dieťaťom - nechcem sa tam znova montovať ako včera, preto radšej píšem do neaktívnej témy, lebo pomoc dieťaťu je dôležitejšia ako nejaký komentár na iHerb-e. Ďakujem za pochopenie.

Naposledy upravil: graupel (2013-08-26 09:53:56)

Nutribiotic vo svojom popise historie citricidalu tvrdi, ze vo vyrobkoch oznacenych 'professional strength" este stale ma v obsahu povodny citricidal s obsahom quaternalnych zlucenin, pozri na
http://www.nutriteam.com/citricidal/
Ze by predsa len?!?Informacia je Z roku 2013 tj neskor nez uviedli GSE, nehorky na trh, co neobsahoval nic viac, nez vytazok z grapefruitovych semien, bez quaternialnych zlucenin, len s polyfenolami.
Takze hladajte pod citricidal professional

Naposledy upravil: RNG (2014-08-08 22:24:25)

Nuz aj ked tam machaju so slovom citricidal, nikde tam nie je spomenute, ze sa tam chemicky premenili polyfenoly na quaternialne zluceniny Takze je to ta slaba verzia.

Mozno. Drzim palce.

OK

Uz ti aj prisiel ten citricidal?

Test na ucinnost je napr zobrat 2 deci vody, dat do nich lyzicu cukru a dobre zamiesat kvasnice.
Rozdelit na dvoje, do jedneho nedat nic a do druheho  4 kvapky citricidalu(60% ) alebo 6 kvapiek 33%. To je 2 x tolko ako by malo zastavit kvasenie.
Ak tolko nestaci, skus zdvojnasobnit alebo strojnasobnit. Tak mozeme zistit, o kolko viac tohop treba na zastavenie kvasenia, tj ucinnost.

Áno je to taka ista flaštička ako na obrázku, jedine čom som si všimol že v eshope je na flaštičke napisane Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE) a na flaštičke čo prišla je napisane iba Grapefruit Seed Extract bez toho GSE v zatvorke.

Toto je na fľaštičke napisane:

Liquid concentrate is a natural quaternary compoud synthesized from the seed and pulp of grapefruit. The grapefruit bioflavonoids are converted into an extremely potent compound.

Rng  napis mi prosim ta tvoj nazor na kvalitu tohto pripravku . Momentalne je v akcii za ok cenu, alebo by si odporucil iny extrakt z grep. jadierok ?
http://www.iherb.com/ZOI-Research-Grape … Caps/51270

Dakujem

Dakujem za upozornenie - vobec som si to nevsimla. No ale uz som objednala, co uz...

Tak by si mi prosim Ta poradil ake davkovanie mam dat ked uz som to objednala?

Dakujeeem

Vdaka feri123 za tvoju odpoved.

Malo by to byt, ale zialbohu napr firma NutriBiotic este niekedy v septembri 2012 zmenila ich GSE na nehorky, a dalej pisala, ze obsahuje Quaternialne zluceniny, co uz neobsahovala. Az neskor, po hromade staznosti to zmenili.
Takze si nemozem byt isty, aj ked na ten profesionalny to dodnes tvrdia. pretro som tu popisal test s kvasnicami, aby sme si to mohli aspon ciastocne overit.Teda aspon na kvasniciach.
Ja som sa 2 x pokusal objednat tu profesionalnu formulu v minulosti, ale mi objednavku jednoducho zrusili.

Naposledy upravil: RNG (2014-08-22 18:24:55)

Prosím Vás, je tento GSE účinný pri proticandidovej diéte? Alebo len ten citricidal profesional?
http://www.iherb.com/NutriBiotic-GSE-Gr … l&ic=2

Ešte mám otázku. Syn (2r, 3m.) má hraničné hodoty šítnej žľazy, 2 mesiace bral Euthyrox 1/2 tbl z 25mg, teraz mu to znížili na 1/2 tbl každý druhý deň. Nemá žiadne príznaky ani potiaže, môže to byť prechodné (z prudkeho rastu, keď štítna nestíha), ale aj nie (rodinnná anamnéza, moja sestra hypothyreóza, aj ja počas tehotenstva), teraz už nie. Ja však nie som veľmi stotožnená s euthyroxom. Čo by ste mi pre syna odporučili? Jód? Aké dávkovanie? Vysadiť úplne euthyrox?

ďakujem

Dnes som urobil ten test ucinnosti citricidalu professional, konkretne tohoto: http://www.hoogle.sk/CITRICIDAL-bio-che … l-d539.htm

Este napisem co je na tej flasticke napisane:

CITRICDAL Liquid Concentrate is a natural quaternary compoud synthesized from the seed and pulp of grapefruit. The grapefruit bioflavonoids (polyphenolics) are converted into an extremely potent compound.

Vyrobca: Nutribiotic Professional, P.O. Box 238, Lakeport, CA 95453

POSTUP:

Dal som do dvoch poharov studenu vodu po 1 dcl, potom lyzicku cukru, dobre som rozmiesal, potom do jedneho 4 kvapky toho citricidalu (neviem mozno som omylom dal aj 5 kvapiek, pretoze je to take trosku hustesie, take akokeby slizske ), rozmiesal som, dalej som dal do obidvoch kusok drozdia (cca 10 gramov), dobre som to rozmiesal.

Test zacal o 19:37

potom asi po pol hodine  som to skontroloval, presnejsie o 20:12 - pohar s citricidalom nekvasil, pohar bez citricidalu uz zacal kvasit -> tak to nabublalo.

o 22:40 - pohar s citricidalom stale nekvasil a v tom druhom pohari boli stale tie bubliny.

Takze mam taky pocit, ze ten test dopadol vyborne, tak asi je to ten pravy citricidal. Co hovoris na to RNG?

tak ja neviem ci GSE za 29€ sa da povazovat za vyhru...
Slovak kupi za 15$ (len MOC v USA na porovnanie) a predava za 29€.

Ma niekto alternativneho dodavatela pre tento produkt?
V needs.com maju rovnaky, ale to postovne 23$ je na tom tiez cca podobe
http://www.needs.com/product/bio_chem_R … m_Research

Tiež som si objednala ten z hoogle.sk, včera mi prišiel.

Pre info vkladám jednu recenziu na GSE – Citricidal z amazon.com z 11/2013, kde vysvetľuje ako to s citricidalom je a bude v budúcnosti:
3.0 out of 5 stars Product may be different than before., November 13, 2013
By
SW - See all my reviews
This review is from: Nutribiotic Gse Liquid Concentrate, 4 Fluid Ounce (Health and Beauty)
I purchased this product earlier in the year from Whole Foods Market, I believe. I've been using the product intermittently for probably over 25 years, manly if I have gastrointestinal distress, diarrhea, or if I believe I may have eaten some tainted food, and it usually resolves the problem with one or two doses. However, this bottle which expires in 12/17, didn't seem to do much. The label does not have the word "organic" on it as the previous bottle did, but it does say CITRICIDAL after Grapefruit Seed Extract in the ingredient list. However for some reason it didn't seem to be as effective for me For the use mentioned above. Nutribiotic verified that the bottle I have does contain CITRICIDAL, so I'm not sure why it didn't seem as effective.
Nutrbiotic has replaced Citricidal brand GSE with that from another supplier in 2 & 4ounce bottles, starting about a year ago. The new GSE is less bitter, less yellow, and doesn't foam. Some think it's less effective.
This change is a de facto bait and switch from Nutribiotic, because traditionally the product in this shape of bottle has contained CITRICIDAL, yet they still call it The Original GSE on the new labels, but it's not. One must buy a 1 oz. round bottle, Maximum GSE, to get actual CITRICIDAL. Previously the 2 and 4 ounce bottles had it, but in a lower concentration. (See UPDATE below.).
As far as the safety of CITRICIDAL, or GSE in general, it seems safe, but I myself would not use it regularly--just for specific occurrences, mentioned earlier; as far as the new version of GSE--it would be interesting to have it tested for antibacterial and antimicrobial effectiveness compared to the product with CITRICIDAL.

UPDATE:
I spoke to a customer service rep at Nutribiotic and she explained the reason that they switched from CITRICIDAL to another GSE supplier. Because of newer FDA regulations, they require from the supplier certain safety data and paperwork regarding internal use, which CITRICIDAL would not provide. Nutribiotic claims they had previously always tested the name-brand GSE for the presence of (the disputed) similar-structure synthetic preservatives through independent labs that had the properly sensitive equipment to avoid false-positives, and the synthetic preservatives (benzalkonium chloride, triclosan, and methylparaben) were never found, and that their chemical analysis shows that the replacement GSE is virtually the same chemically as CITRICIDAL; I told her I found the new GSE to be ineffective and asked if they tested it's antimicrobial properties. She said that they haven't, but even if they did they couldn't talk about it because of FDA regulations. I told her that they have made a decision to perhaps create a number of dissatisfied customers, but maybe they have no choice. She said the Maximum GSE will be available for those who want CITRICIDAL, although it has to be labeled Not For Internal Use. As for the CITRICIDAL GSE Professional version, 1 oz. (which I just I ordered), when current stock runs out it will also be converted to the non-name-brand GSE, but as that has not yet happened, the one I ordered should be the original product. In the future only the Maximum GSE will have CITRICIDAL GSE.

PS: to je tento: http://www.amazon.com/Maximum-GSE-Liqui … trate+1+oz.   
Na i-herbe som ho nenašla.

A ten PROFESSIONAL majú ešte aj na amazone: http://www.amazon.com/Citricidal-Grapef … oncentrate

Naposledy upravil: maca (2014-09-04 19:32:35)

Ahoj, RNG, kedze ten citricidal professional presiel tym testom a stacili tie 4 kvapky, neviem, ale ako som hovoril mozno som omylom dal aj 5 kvapiek, lebo je to take hustesie a musel som trochu viac stlacit tu flasticku a tak nahodne tam aj kvapla ta piata kvapka, ale asi to nie je az tak podstatne.

Cize podla toho testu ucinnosti by malo stacit 35 kvapiek do 1 litra vody, ako odporucas? Vdaka.

A mozem dat pre istotu aj viacej kvapiek, napriklad 40 az 50 kvapiek do 1 litra vody? Ci to uz je privela?

Do kolko vody to das na tom nezalezi ale celkove mnozstvo citricidalu. Prepocitavanie nie je na roky, ale na vahu, tj v pomere vah medzi beznou dospelou (70 kg) a inou.
Najjeddnoduchsie je urobit normalne liter a dat z toho dietatu podla vahy cast. Moze sa to samozrejme aj ochutit roznymi ovocnymi stavami, tak to deti skor vypiju.